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Citi: Wells Fargo blocked from Wachovia sale

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The fight over control of Wachovia intensified Saturday, as a judge temporarily agreed to block the sale of the bank by Wells Fargo, Citigroup announced in a news release.

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{"commentId":3318890,"authorDomain":"accrew4"}

None of the full boards have signed any legal agreements, only the FCO's. The share holders have not voted either. Now the lawyers get to play, what fun. Ha! Ha!

All you need to do is follow the money and see who has been making all the large pre-market stock trades. This will show who the honest dealers are and who the insiders are that are ripping the public off.

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Reply#1 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 2:52 AM EDT
{"commentId":3319739,"authorDomain":"mmugwomper"}

whats more interesting is that the wells deal involves NO FDIC guarantees and of course NO ownership interest given to the FED (who really is starting to look communist by grabbing up ownership in a bunch of companies) ... what is this judge thinking???? NO binding agreement was signed with CITI - but the board did sign a binding agreement with WELLS -
This is a no brainer - Wells is paying triple what citi was and was in negotiations at the same time as CItit -  they may have left the table on Sunday prior - but came back with their offer...  at no cost to taxpayers...  this CITI lawsuit is disgusting to those of us in the Charlotte area... and bad for taxpayers and stockholders.

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#1.1 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 7:57 AM EDT
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{"commentId":3319063,"authorDomain":"waraksas1"}

I'm not an attorney, but I've been taught that with contracts you look at the intent and action of the parties. Citi thought they had a deal and actually started handling Wachovia's financial obligations. Wachovia didn't protest at all. Then 4 or 5 days later up pops Wells Fargo and says we'll buy the whole thing. Seems like they're a day late and a dollar short. Oh, and when the sale is done through the FDIC, the shareholders don't vote on anything. It's being sold to avoid bankruptcy. I believe Citi has the winner here. Wells can buy what Citi didn't, but I feel Citi owns what they've bought. We'll see and I own stock in both Citi and Wells.    

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Reply#2 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 3:41 AM EDT
{"commentId":3319758,"authorDomain":"mmugwomper"}

the above is not totally accurate - living in the Charlotte area we get alot more detailed info and hear much more talk from the attorneys ... the deal was not funded - citi took no control - they lent their credit reserves for 3 days - not a dime of real money and did not even meet with operational people - just top executives... and no binding contract was signed ... it was a pending shareholder approval as they were NOT taken over by FED - as they did not file bankruptcy - nor announce (though they planned) that they were going to ... what happened here was the FED was involved in the negotiations - not the right of sale... it DID NOT handle the sale ... therefore the board did have the right to cancel this agreement .. you will find this the case - though there may be damages to CITI for the use of their credit reserves for 3 days.

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    #2.1 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 8:02 AM EDT
    {"commentId":3321114,"authorDomain":"firemedic1b"}

    While this may be the right, what really upsets most people is the fact that Wells Fargo is offering more money and there is no government involvement. When all is said and done we will have have only a few mega banks/financial institutions who will monopalize the banking industry. The only people to blame for this are the banks themselves for there poor financial management and the feds poor regulatory oversight.

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    #2.2 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
    {"commentId":3321870,"authorDomain":"waraksas1"}

    Bob, NC, You must figure that Wells has the winner in this one. What will be curious to me is if the FDIC assumes an active position in this case? I assume this will head to court unless Citi backs off. I like the deal either way. Citi did get the order; so, they must have some merit in the case.    Thanks 

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      #2.3 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
      {"commentId":3325485,"authorDomain":"mmugwomper"}

      Hi Stan W... I thinkl the big problem with a merit issue is apparant as they (citi) went to a NY court - not  a US court as they obviously think that no US court would step into this on their side - though it should ultimately be clear they had no true contract to buy Wachovia... I am in NY this weekend and it is interesting to read the difference in commentary by region. It really appears that they got an order with no standing - and now Wells and Wachovia are before a federal court as we speak.
      I do not like the CITI deal as one of my kids is an investment banker with Wachovia - and they already said when they entered into negotiations with them that they will liquidate those 6000 jobs .. as well as not buying the brokerage business (edwards) and Evergreen... both of which Wachovia owns...  but my main feelings are fueled by the fact that the Wells deal has not government loan guarantee and NO future taxpayer assistence required...
      Citi really should have backed off - their agreement (now revealed) shows they have no right to fees for the deal not closing ... and now of course 3 banks - 2 of which are losing money (wachovia and yes citi) are spending millions in law fees.

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        #2.4 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
        {"commentId":3325715,"authorDomain":"waraksas1"}

        Bob, I lived in Chapel Hill for 15 years---know both banks well----was an NCNB customer prior to BofA. Also, CCB. I met CD Spangler and Kenan at the UNC Chancellor's retirement gathering at the Kenan conference center. I can't remember his name or exactly when, but I know the Kenan business school wasn't open yet. I was UNC Hospital transportation. GO HEELS!!!   

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          #2.5 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 6:25 PM EDT
          {"commentId":3328790,"authorDomain":"mmugwomper"}

          The problem in this market is the requirement to "mark to market" the value of loans collateral... and no one knows the true market... so a company like Wachovia had to devalue even performing assets to meet this rule and then was short of collateral - so when a run on the bank happened due to rumours about its demise - they ran out of cash ... they really actually are still solvent as the assets are performing - just devalued by a rule that MUST be relaxed in this type market - the bailout would not have been an issue if this rule had been relaxed...
          Univ of Miami grad '71 BBA Finance - 2BA Accounting FAU '74 - 1 kid at VT for phd now ... can't believe Butch and your heels did it to us again!!!!! ... Go Canes! Go ACC !!!!

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            #2.6 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
            {"commentId":3328964,"authorDomain":"mmugwomper"}

            UPDATE:

            NEW YORK - The battle for control of troubled bank Wachovia tilted toward Wells Fargo Sunday as a state appeals court blocked a lower court ruling that had favored rival bidder Citigroup.

            At stake is the $339 billion in Wachovia deposits and its network of more than 3,300 branches throughout the country that would solidify the winner as being in the top tier of U.S. retail banking.

            In the Sunday night ruling, the Appellate Division of State Supreme Court threw out an order by Justice Charles Ramos issued late Saturday at the request of Citigroup; the order would have extended the time under which Wachovia and Citigroup had to complete their deal.

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              #2.7 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 10:26 PM EDT
              {"commentId":3333459,"authorDomain":"mmugwomper"}

              At a hearing Sunday in New York, U.S. District Court Judge John Koeltl said Wachovia “appears” to have been permitted to consider merger offers other than Citi’s, but he did not make a decision. Another judge will take up the issue at a hearing scheduled for Tuesday

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                #2.8 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 8:12 AM EDT
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                {"commentId":3319324,"authorDomain":"TCS57"}

                When it was announced that citi corp. was taking over Wachovia I smelled a rat in the mix. I still do. Why would the FDIC support citi without first looking at Wachovias finances which were in some trouble because of those who betted on Wachovia failure. Usually a bank is taken over on a friday so their records can be looked at by federal regulators. This deal between citi and FDIC sounds to me like someone got their hands padded, or promised a job at a later date.  I think there should be a full investigation of this deal. As for Wells Fargo, they offered a better deal to the stock holders than they got from citi and the FDIC. It should be allowed to go thru
                o  

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                  Reply#3 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 5:21 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":3319391,"authorDomain":"wizz220"}

                  Hmmmm all you have to do is look at the "protected" and "in the club" list that Paulson has.  Citi is on that list, Wells fargo isnt.

                  So what we have here is Citi vs Wac at which there was no signed contracts/agreements.  Tax payer money "was" involved with this proposed deal.  Also there has been no agreement by Citi's share holders in this proposed deal.

                  Now WF comes in and buys the whole company without the FDIC and NO tax payer money.  And yes they do have a signed contract/agreement. And it is also backed by the share holders.

                  Yes I smell a rat here and Citi is on that short ist of good ol boys with the federal reserve aka Paulson.  Now you have a court who is now blocking the WF/Wac deal because Citi went crying like a little @!$%#.  Hmmmmmmm wonder if this is the same court in NY that has blocked all litigations inref to the fraudlent practices of wall street and what the federal reserve has done as of late.  I smell paid off judges.  Citi has alot to lose and for one thing a part of that hugh 850 BILLION dollar bailout.

                  What I say is let the WF deal go thr and say F you Citi.

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                  Reply#4 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 5:58 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":3319748,"authorDomain":"scleslie"}

                  I totally agree with you on that one. Citi was buying Wach through a deal with the FDIC backed by main street tax dollars just like we saw several months ago with the Fed and Bear Sterns. Screw the stockholders and main street tax payers.

                  Now Wells Fargo wants to buy it at 15 times the stock price with no help from the Fed. This is a win win for our tax dollars and the stockholders, but Noooooooo Citi has not morals and cryies foul.

                  What funny is even the FDIC is standing behind their deal with Citi when they know Well Fargo does not require their aide. This whole thing is a sham. It appears even our FDIC cannot be trusted to do the moral thing.

                  Vote opposite any congressional member that voted yes to this Wallstreet Bailout. Its best for America to rid outselves of these corrupted members of congress that serve big business and their lobbyists instead of tax paying americans.

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                  #4.1 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 7:59 AM EDT
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                  {"commentId":3319567,"authorDomain":"brbjck"}

                  Excuse me a billion versus 14 billion methinks I smell a rat

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                    Reply#5 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 7:01 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":3319732,"authorDomain":"dwoods84"}

                    The FDIC should be looking for the best deal, period.

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                      Reply#6 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 7:55 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":3319790,"authorDomain":"scleslie"}

                      You are right, and the best deal is for Well Fargo to purchase Wach for 15 times the stockprice with no Fed aid, but our corrupt system lifts its evil little head again and we see the FDIC has been compromised. It appears americans have no government oversight groups or other departments that can be trusted to do the right thing.

                      Our congressional leaders sat on their hands and gorged themselves at the pig trough long enough. Vote these pigs out of office. We need leaders that will actually pass regulations that protect the public and actually inforce the laws already on the books instead of fence sitting.

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                        #6.1 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 8:08 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":3319810,"authorDomain":"mmugwomper"}

                        so right ... it is time the fed remembered who it works for .. oh wait .. that would be in a democracy.. now they appear to work for themselves... that smells of communism .. and we know how well that worked out for Russia ...

                        Time to vote for change .. from the top down our system has started to smell.. and the last 8 years should really tell us all something ... and it is not a good thing.. we need quality in our leaders - and truly they should be smarter than us ... not six pack janes - or cowboys like we have now .. I truly want to see someone smarter than myself - who also understand what the constitution really is .. and what made our country great

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                          #6.2 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 8:13 AM EDT
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                          {"commentId":3319737,"authorDomain":"tony123"}

                          Why would the goverment and the courts want to prevent this?  A better deal and no taxpayer money.  Are we democratic or socialistic?

                          {"commentId":3319737,"threadId":"379392","contentId":"1955620","authorDomain":"tony123"}
                            Reply#7 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 7:56 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":3319776,"authorDomain":"tony123"}

                            No goverment money, MY MONEY.  Better deal.  Why would the goverment and courts fight it?  Is it screw the working man or socialism!!!

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                              Reply#8 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 8:06 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":3319828,"authorDomain":"wmiller51"}

                              It seems that the Government is intent on having only 3 banks which are Citicorp, Chase, and Bank of America. If Wells Fargo offered significantly more money to me it sounds like Citicorp is being a cry baby,  Its time to let competition and not who has the best lobbyist in Washington to make the decision. After all the $700 billion dollar bail out will only help the rich and powerful with Washington connections, Think if that same amount of money was placed in the hands of the individual citizens how that would of spurred the economy. To me instead of letting capitalism work the US is becoming more of a socialist country. Of course in Socialism this leaves the little guy with little competition, no aid, and low paying work positions while the rich live their lavish lifestyles..

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                                Reply#9 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 8:16 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":3319879,"authorDomain":"accrew4"}

                                I would like to know who were buying the large blocks of WB stock Monday morning at $0.70 a share. All these week-end fire sales are resulting in large profits by insiders and foreign investors and the average USA investor is getting raped.

                                Also, there needs to be a investigation of all the stock awards that were being reported on Wednesday for the WB board members.  IMO the FDIC & Federal Reserve is cooking the books and play favouritism.

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                                  Reply#10 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 8:27 AM EDT
                                  {"commentId":3319921,"authorDomain":"mmugwomper"}

                                  http://www.charlotteobserver.com/banking/story/234472.html says it all

                                  The agreement with Wachovia that Citigroup has cited and that contains the ban on negotiating with any other potential bidders was not a final merger contract, but a letter agreement to "continue to proceed to negotiate definitive agreements."

                                  The letter agreement does not state that a deal must be completed. It also specifically rules out the collection of money damages if the agreement to negotiate were breached.

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                                  Reply#11 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 8:34 AM EDT
                                  {"commentId":3320248,"authorDomain":"twc9196442829"}

                                  Yeah, this speaks real well of the government's ability to get fair value for anything on the market. I take it this means me and you, John Taxpayer, will be paying $700 billion for mortgage securities with a face value of $1 trillion so we can well them for $100 billion to Paulson's cronies.

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                                    Reply#12 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 9:29 AM EDT
                                    {"commentId":3320545,"authorDomain":"bohdansz"}

                                    As  an  outsider,  all  I  know  is  this:  If  the  Wells  Fargo  deal  is  better  for  the  American  people,  the  U.S.  government  should  side  with  the  people! This is not the right time to play losing games!

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                                      Reply#13 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 10:00 AM EDT
                                      {"commentId":3320806,"authorDomain":"sichuan"}

                                      And when was the last time the U.S. government sided with the American people? Too long ago for me to remember.

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                                        #13.1 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
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                                        {"commentId":3320910,"authorDomain":"duriteacres"}

                                        Hate to say it but it'll call Free Enterprize.  Citigroup, a Japanese owned company, was dealing with the FDIC not Wachovia.  The FDIC is trying to control things their way and Wachovia is not being asked.  They haven't actually failed .......the FDIC jumped in to prevent it when it got too shaky.  I was under the impressivion that the FDIC insured the accounts not grabbed control of a bank. 

                                        I think Wachovia should be allowed to sell to anyone they want.  FDIC still insures the accounts no matter who the new owner is.    The new bailout supposedly covers the accounts up to $250,000 now.

                                        If the FDIC wants to stick their nose in deals they should be looking at Nancy Pelousi voting to approve AIG's takeout as a conflict of interest!  After all she had a huge interest in whether that folded.

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                                          Reply#14 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 10:40 AM EDT
                                          {"commentId":3320976,"authorDomain":"duriteacres"}

                                          Maybe the easiest solution is to change banks people ----how many of you have accounts in Citigroup owned banks.........time to move your account to Wells Fargo!  Good grief, don't move it to Bank of America!   You will be sorry for sure I can tell you from experience.

                                          Socialism..........did anyone say Obama.......he's definitely pushing socialist ideas and he's got some interesting contacts.  Just how does a lowly Senator with very little experience manage to own a 1.4M house?  That's what sounds shady!

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                                            Reply#15 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 10:47 AM EDT
                                            {"commentId":3329266,"authorDomain":"mmugwomper"}

                                            rather be socialist than communist .. can you say Bush and McSame in the same sentence? ... and how did this type politics enter into this? Last I looked neither Obama or McCain (on all  7 houses) were in default?

                                            What we really need is disbanding political parties and have individuals run for office .. now that is an idea that would actually work! .. but never happen - sadly

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                                            #15.1 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 10:41 PM EDT
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                                            {"commentId":3321139,"authorDomain":"mkingston"}

                                            Last, it's not just that Obama is a lowly Senator, it's that he AND HIS WIFE, both had fairly low paying jobs their entire careers, until he became a Senator. Obama is a card carrying member of the ultra secret CFR, which was formed to exercise complete financial control over the world. And, it is true that Paulson has close ties to Citigroup. I can't imagine that the FDIC would continue to support this deal, when the Wells deal would cost us nothing. It's a known fact that the FDIC is running low on money to support bank takeovers, so why not just shut up and bow out?

                                            This country is headed right down the toilet! Our government is playing right into the hands of Iran and all the rest of the extremists. It makes me sick and I'm afraid it will soon make us dead.

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                                              Reply#16 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
                                              {"commentId":3321340,"authorDomain":"sichuan"}

                                              America headed down the toilet the day Bush was elected. Elect another Republican and we will be subjected to the worst depression this country has ever seen.

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                                              #16.1 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
                                              {"commentId":3321712,"authorDomain":"dd50"}

                                              I wouldn't vote Republican this year as a matter of principle.  For sure not McCain and dimwit Palin.

                                              Obama/Biden will likely win 2008.  But as the economy tanks, I think it will be Jimmy Carter all over again, just 4 years.

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                                              #16.2 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 11:56 AM EDT
                                              {"commentId":3325136,"authorDomain":"tomas-melloni"}

                                              Obama is smarter than all of you put together, that's how he got that house... how many of you making this comments finished high school? Now, how many of those who finished high school went to college? Now how many of those who went to college, actually graduated? And now, those of you who did graduate, how many of you graduated from Harvard? Stop hating the men because he is black and democrat and star liking him for being smart and the solution for today's America. All of you need to stop blaming democrats for this big mess when the ones running the country for the last 7 ½ years were republicans, it seemed very much like communism when the republicans were running the white house and congress, don't you all remember how they were passing laws left and right without even considering what the rest of the peoples opinions were? Bad economy, torture, wars and the list goes on and on and on!

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                                              #16.3 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
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                                              {"commentId":3321439,"authorDomain":"wendl123"}

                                              This is unbelievable -- with everything else going on in the financial sector, Citi has the audacity to pursue this issue in the courts.  The Citi deal doesn't even begin to compare to the one Wells Fargo offered -- not for the shareholders, not for the customers, not for the employees,  not for the American taxpayer, and not for the financial industry.
                                              Earlier in the week, after the "agreement in principle" announcement it really did seem, based on Citi's slow actions and half-hearted press releases, that Citi was a reluctant suitor to the Wachovia deal.  Now it's apparent that Citi wants this deal with Wachovia, not because they want to be a more successful organization, but rather they want to be "too big to fail".  Citi is not currently in a terribly stable position themselves.  The Wachovia deal would have helped, but possibly not enough, and the efforts involved in combining operations might seriously hurt them by taking attention and focus off what Citi needs to be doing.  And in that scenario, we'd have the FDIC, the FED and even the American taxpayer on the line for a future bailout of Citi.
                                              Pursuing this further isn't going to succeed...Citi does not have the support of the Wachovia shareholders, customers or employees and that will quickly spill over to the general public.  Which, in the banking business, is not a good thing. 
                                              Pandit needs, to paraphrase, to put his industry first, and stop this nonsense.  Lick your wounds, go home, and please! fix up your own house.

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                                                Reply#17 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 11:33 AM EDT
                                                {"commentId":3321796,"authorDomain":"dd50"}

                                                Citibank wants this deal so it can work itself out something nice, with the FDIC backing it.  A bank that takes over another with gov't intervention will not be subject to the same rules, at least that is what they were saying as one of the new rules to be passed with Congress' bailout plan, some weeks back.If the FDIC and the judge block Wells Fargo from acquiring Wachovia, when Wells does not want/need help from the Feds, then there ought to be an investigation begun by whoever is elected prez next month, asap.  Was Paulson throwing the Japanese at Citi a bone?  The rest of the world's banks are not exactly happy with us, as some of their major banks need bailing out also. Hmmm, guess we'll know more Monday.

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                                                  Reply#18 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":3322412,"authorDomain":"thescholar"}

                                                  You know, the last time I checked this was stll the United States of America, the symbol of freedom that extends into its capitalistic economy. Why shouldn't Wells Fargo be allowed to absorb Wachovia into its system? IS it because the crooked federal government has a side deal with Citi, perhaps Citi has paid more into the coffers of these cronies? Could it be that the feds would have no stake in an organization that is sure to turn around and profit, thus leaving the feds with it? YEs, there was a letter of intent, 2 pages, but can they really get into the legal jargon of Wachovia can't entertain offers from other parties? Woudl Wachovia be that stupid to do that? Would Wells Fargo be that stupid to do that? Wells Fargo even notified the FDIC 3 hours before it approached Wachovia. Citi finds out and starts throwing a temper becasue they could't get their way and then the feds spike up stating the same.

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                                                    Reply#19 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":3322752,"authorDomain":"Vuenbelvue"}

                                                    Citi needs to go back to where it belongs, the middle east.  Maybe it can finance some big buildings there and after they pay the princes back can make their 35-40% profit. Their stock here is a little higher than Fordf's or Chrysler's. Without Bush's or Congress's help they would'nt have the money to cleany Wachoia's headquarter's in Charlotte.

                                                    Go Wells Fargo, beats this predator company and their Indian Ceo with his huge stock options that are surely tied to off-shore banking so he doesn't have to pay tax into the federal treasury. I throw their repulsive credit cards in my shredder.  

                                                    Vote Ralph Nader. Quit these two political parties that blow smoke up our arses.

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                                                    Reply#20 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":3331374,"authorDomain":"cheffie38"}

                                                    im voting for nader, i decided that the other day when the house passed the bailout, i was for obama, but im tired of everyone thats in washington now, im voting everyone out and in with new meat

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                                                      #20.1 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 1:18 AM EDT
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                                                      {"commentId":3322970,"authorDomain":"mysaug"}

                                                      We are not VZ, agreements and obligations resulting from such are a basis for our business success. C will win as based on law. For example, if you enter into an exclusivty agreement with a firm to sell your home, but next week a relative says they will  buy it from you   directly, guess what, you still owe the realtor the commission.

                                                      Also, if betting football, Vegas is  going to require everyone to place bet before game, no one is alowed to come in after half time and place bet based on new information.   

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                                                        Reply#21 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":3323160,"authorDomain":"lmaccarato"}

                                                        If the realtor did not bring your relative to view the property as their client, you can withdraw your listing from them and I believe sell to your relative without paying any commission as the relative was not the realtor's prospective buyer.

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                                                          #21.1 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":3323724,"authorDomain":"mysaug"}

                                                          no, usually binding for two - six months. Does not matter if shown by realtor or not. If wait until after expires, and realtor can show you entered into an agreement ( granted hard to do) , even if only verbal, before expiration date,  you can be sued in civil court for commisison and damages. Case law on this at least under MA laws.

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                                                            #21.2 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
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                                                            {"commentId":3323241,"authorDomain":"momabyrd"}

                                                            This is why people hate our Government... back door politics! Citi group is trying to steal Wachovia with the Governments help!

                                                            I pray Wells Fargo fights and succeeds and does not give up.

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                                                            Reply#22 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":3323617,"authorDomain":"markdauvid"}

                                                            who in gods name is this judge who blocks the sale to wells fargo that would not only it appears benefit the stock holders of wachovia but also save taxpayers billions of dollars that would be given out if citi bank buys wachovia for $2.1 billion. wells fargo has offered $14.8 billion. what if that judge had a $50,000 car and he said ok i will sell it to you for $500 but than someone says i will pay you $48,000 for your car. well gee i guess you have to go with the $500 offer right. the fdic has decided to stand behind the citi offer of $2.1 billion which would require billions of dollars of bailout money wheras the wells fargo deal requires  none. is the name F  DIC(K) because i think they are trying to screw us. they are supposed to be watching our money not giving it away. as stated in the article citi is in a bit of trouble themselves as in losses so do we really want to give a huge bank like wachovia basically as a christmas present to a bank that has issues.

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                                                            Reply#23 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":3325582,"authorDomain":"mmugwomper"}

                                                            the judge is a state of NY judge.. not a federal judge  - that alone speaks volumes for CIti's actual position.. as we speak it is now before a Federal judge to set aside this crazy ruling ....

                                                            Sadly - Citi is now spending millions more on litigation - causing Wachovia and Wells to follow suit ... and I would bet the farm after reading the original agreement they have no real lawsuit... the are suing for 60billion in damages - and the agreement clearly says if the negotiations do not succeed - there will be NO damages!

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                                                            #23.1 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 6:13 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":3328899,"authorDomain":"mmugwomper"}

                                                            UPDATED:
                                                            State Appeals (blocked) stopped the ruling from the lower court - Fed judge calls another hearing on Tuesday for Citi to respond ... ridiculous waste of money - Citi is in a losing position .. it is all about litigation - what happened to it being about what is right for taxpayers and stockholders? I for one will NEVER deal with Citi again - given a choice of course which our FED does not want any of us to have anymore! 

                                                            NEW YORK - The battle for control of troubled bank Wachovia tilted toward Wells Fargo Sunday as a state appeals court blocked a lower court ruling that had favored rival bidder Citigroup.

                                                            In the Sunday night ruling, the Appellate Division of State Supreme Court threw out an order by Justice Charles Ramos issued late Saturday at the request of Citigroup; the order would have extended the time under which Wachovia and Citigroup had to complete their deal.

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                                                              #23.2 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 10:23 PM EDT
                                                              {"commentId":3333452,"authorDomain":"mmugwomper"}

                                                              At a hearing Sunday in New York, U.S. District Court Judge John Koeltl said Wachovia “appears” to have been permitted to consider merger offers other than Citi’s, but he did not make a decision. Another judge will take up the issue at a hearing scheduled for Tuesday

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                                                                #23.3 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 8:11 AM EDT
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                                                                {"commentId":3323892,"authorDomain":"scleslie"}

                                                                Citi has bought FDIC members plain and simple.

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                                                                Reply#24 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
                                                                {"commentId":3324076,"authorDomain":"momabyrd"}

                                                                FDIC members need to be investigated now plain and simple. When a ship begins to sink it is time to find the hole and plug it up.  How can regular Americans call for the FDIC to be Investigated for fraud and for failure to protect our American dollar?

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                                                                Reply#25 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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